What if such thoughts of nidaan come automatically to your mind without you wanting to think of it? After doing upwaas, i was doing samayik that night as I was not able to sleep, this persistent thought kept striking in my mind without me wanting to think
In Jain Dharma, the key point is: nidaan is in the bhaav (inner intention), not in the mere passing of a thought.
You described it very honestly, so let’s separate things clearly:
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1. What is nidaan here?
In this context, nidaan means:
- To consciously and willingly make an inner resolve like:
- This is a kind of desire-based planning for future pleasure, tied to a punya-karma you are doing now.
So, nidaan is:
- not just “I felt like it”,
- but “I want this, I mentally hold on to it, I am pleased with this desire and I nourish it.”
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2. When thoughts come automatically in samayik
What you’re describing is common and well-understood in Jain psychology of karma:
- Because of past karmas and habits, random thoughts arise on their own.
- In samayik, you will sometimes see:
If the thought comes as: > “As a result of this upvaas I must get extremely tasty / good food”
but in your heart you do not want to think it, and you:
- feel uneasy about it,
- do not approve of it,
- do not enjoy or encourage it,
- try to bring the mind back to equanimity,
then, according to Jain principles:
- This is more like a uday of past karma / old sanskār,
- The main bondage comes when you:
So:
- Passing, unwanted thought = lighter fault.
- Knowingly holding, enjoying, repeating the desire = actual nidaan-bhaav.
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3. What should you do in that moment?
Practical Jain way:
- Become aware, without fear
- Silently note: “This is wrong lalasā (craving), I do not support it.” - Awareness itself starts weakening it.
- Gently change the bhāva
- You can think: - “I did upvaas to reduce rāg–dveṣ, not to increase taste-craving.” - “True phala of upvaas is kashāya-kṣay (weakening passions) and samta, not tasty food.” - Turn attention to: - Navkār mantra, - meaning of samayik, - or contemplation of aatma.
- Do alpa pratikraman in mind
- In very simple words, in your own language: - “Bhagwan, such thoughts are not right. Jo galti ho gayi, uske liye kshamā. Aage se aise bhaav na ho.” - This changes the inner current from craving → humility and purification.
- Do not panic or feel guilty again and again
- Over-guilt can also become attachment (to the idea “I am bad”). - Better: accept, correct, and calmly move on in samayik.
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4. Does this become serious nidaan?
From your description:
- You did upvaas,
- at night you did samayik,
- the thought came against your will, and
- you were disturbed by it, not happy with it.
This suggests:
- It is more like an arising of old habit / karma,
- not a fully-formed, delighted, repeatedly planned nidaan.
To make it real nidaan, one generally:
- accepts the thought,
- repeats it many times with joy,
- connects the present tapa very deliberately to future sense-pleasure.
You are doing the opposite: you are worried about purity of bhāva. That concern itself is a sign of good samyak-dṛṣṭi tendency.
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5. How to gradually purify such cravings
Going forward, a few gentle practices:
- Before starting upvaas
- Set a clear inner resolve: - “I am doing this upvaas: - to reduce passions (krodh, mān, māyā, lobh), - to purify aatma-bhāva, - not for taste, praise, or comfort.”
- During upvaas
- If thoughts of future food come: - just see them like clouds, - don’t hold them, - bring mind back to: - mantra, - swādhyāy, - dhyān on qualities of Arihant.
- After upvaas (parṇā time)
- Take simple food. - Avoid turning parṇā into a mini-feast. - Eat with the feeling: - “This is only for keeping the body fit for dharma, not for taste-enjoyment.”
Slowly, the mind learns: “Upvaas = vairāgya, not taste-excitement.”
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6. Summary in very simple words
- Automatic, unwanted thought of getting tasty food after upvaas
- Nidaan is when you knowingly keep such a desire, are happy with it, and feed it.
- When such thoughts come:
Your honesty and awareness are already protecting you from strong nidaan-bhaav. Keep that simplicity and sincerity; over time, such thoughts will naturally weaken.
You can read a simple explanation about samayik and its purpose here