Can a samyagdrishti jeev get intense kashay? Can a samyagdrishti jeev get anantanubandhi kashay? In detailI've a friend who was close to me about 15 years back. While playing a board game (ludo) id willfully damaged ( it's coating cover had come of a litt
I’ll answer in two parts:
- Jain siddhānt: Samyagdrishti, kaṣhāy and anantānubandhi – what is possible / not possible
- Your specific incidents and what they mean spiritually
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1. Can a samyagdrishti jīv get intense kaṣhāy? Can it get anantānubandhi?
(A) Four levels of kaṣhāy (anger, pride, deceit, greed)
Jain texts describe four grades of each kaṣhāy:
- Anantānubandhi – most intense, leads to loss / non‑attainment of samyakdarshan
- Apratyākhyānāvaraṇ – strong, blocks big vows (mahāvrat)
- Pratyākhyānāvaraṇ – milder, blocks higher stages of pure conduct
- Saṃjvalan – very mild, “glow” only, does not destroy samkit
(Names may vary slightly between Digambar/Śvetāmbara, but the idea is the same.)
(B) Where is anantānubandhi found?
By definition:
- Anantānubandhi kaṣhāy is a part of cāritra-mohanīya karma that:
So:
- Gunasthān 1–3 (wrong belief stages): anantānubandhi exists.
- From Gunasthān 4 (samyaktva) upwards:
If anantānubandhi arises, samkit cannot remain. If samkit is truly present, anantānubandhi cannot arise.
(C) So, can a samyagdrishti have intense kaṣhāy?
Yes, but with limits:
- A samyagdrishti jīv may still have:
- What they cannot have while samyagdrishti is present is:
So:
- Intense irritation, hurt, temporary anger, even strong reactions are possible in a samyagdrishti.
- But deep, long‑term, revengeful enmity that pulls the soul away from dharma for a long period is a sign that, in those periods, samyakdarshan was absent or eclipsed.
You can read a simple overview of samyakdarshan and its types here and here .
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2. Your specific situations – how to understand them in Jain terms
I’ll go through each thing you described and connect it with siddhānt.
(A) The childhood friend, board game, and 15 years of anger
Incidents:
- You damaged his board in anger + lied.
- When truth came out, you felt shock, shame, hurt, and then:
Spiritually, what is going on?
- First fault (your side):
- Long-term hatred:
Is this anantānubandhi?
- True anantānubandhi is:
From what you wrote:
- Along with this anger, you also:
This shows:
- Your inner faith and attraction to dharma were alive.
- So, this long anger is serious kaṣhāy, but not pure anantānubandhi that totally blocks samkit.
More accurate to say:
- For some periods:
- In some other periods:
So:
- Yes, such prolonged anger can exist in a jīv who is capable of samyakdarshan.
- No, while that anger is dominating, the soul is not expressing samyak bhāva.
The positive news: You have now:
- Realised “those years I was wrong.”
- Felt deep regret.
- Mentally apologised and accepted your fault.
In Jain dharma, this pratikraman‑bhāva changes the quality of the bound karma. It cannot erase the past, but it softens and shortens the fruits.
You can see simple guidance on kaṣhāy and their reduction here .
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(B) Teacher scolded you; you stayed quiet; now anger still flares
- At that time you remained silent.
- Now, in memory, ego and anger flare up, and you feel:
This shows:
- There is leftover ego + hurt (mān + krodh) in smṛti (memory).
- But there is also:
Is this compatible with samkit?
- Yes.
This would be stronger than ideal, but still within apratyākhyānāvaraṇ / pratyākhyānāvaraṇ kaṣhāy range, not necessarily anantānubandhi.
Your effort to watch it, calm it, and ask for forgiveness is exactly the Jain method to reduce such kaṣhāy.
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(C) Elder relative – you replied harshly, then cried and repented
- He scolded you harshly.
- You answered with full force, so much that another relative cried seeing it.
- Within minutes, you:
This pattern is very important:
- Immediate or quick repentance after a fall =
- Jain āchāryas say:
So again:
- The outburst itself was serious (strong krodh, mān).
- The swift regret and apology are a good sign of inner samyak‑pravṛtti.
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(D) Cruel thoughts of killing your teacher – does this bind nikachit karma? Can a samyagdrishti have such thoughts?
You wrote:
- You were beaten by teacher.
- For about 6 years you carried very intense thoughts of:
- Only about 3 years ago, you did mental apology and sought forgiveness.
Let’s break this carefully.
1. About nikachit karma
- Nikachit karma = already‑fixed, cannot be avoided, must give a specific fruition (like Mahāvīr’s last body‑pain, etc.).
- It is usually connected with:
Just thinking cruel thoughts, even repeatedly, is very heavy pāp‑bandh, but not automatically “nikachit”.
From a simple explanation on nikachit karma:
Key points for you:
- Imagining killing someone with joy and hatred is:
- But:
What is fully clear:
- Those 6 years of cruel fantasies were spiritually very harmful,
- But your later realisation, guilt, and mental pratikraman reduce the intensity.
2. Can a samyagdrishti have such “killing” thoughts?
- A true, stable samyagdrishti (especially kṣāyik samkit) would:
So for your case:
- During those 6 years of intense revenge‑thoughts,
- You might:
This does not mean:
- “You can never get samkit.”
- At that period, your kaṣhāy was so strong that samkit was not manifest.
Today, as you:
- See it as a grave mistake,
- Feel true regret,
- Seek forgiveness,
- Try to practice ahiṃsā and kṣhamā,
this is moving toward samyak‑bhāva, possibly preparing for future samyakdarshan.
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3. Upasham samyaktva, kṣayopaśam, and your question “Was it only upsham samyaktva which I lost?”
Jain siddhānt speaks of:
- Aupaśamika Samkit – right faith due to temporary suppression of mohanīya.
- Very unstable, can vanish quickly if strong kaṣhāy rises.
- Kṣayopaśamika Samkit – mixed; some deluding karma destroyed, some suppressed.
- More stable than the first, but still vulnerable to strong passions.
- Kṣāyik Samkit – permanent, by complete destruction of darśana-mohanīya;
- Here anantānubandhi and some other kaṣhāy are destroyed, never to return.
So your possibility:
- It is possible that:
- Then, due to:
In Jainism this is not unusual: Samkit can arise, then fall, then arise again after many lives. For most of us, it is not a straight line.
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4. What does all this mean for you – right now?
From what you wrote, I see clearly:
- You have conscience – you suffer when you do wrong.
- You have shraddhā in Pañca-Parameṣṭhi.
- You want mokṣha, Tīrthaṅkaratva, dīkṣhā – even if far, these are pure aspirations.
- You have started doing:
These are strong signs of spiritual potential, even if past kaṣhāy were very dark.
What to do practically (in simple Jain terms)
- Daily pratikraman (at least mentally)
- Recall each person: - the friend, - the teachers, - the elder relative, - Say from the heart: - “Jo kuch bhi apke prati krodh, mān, dveṣh se kiya, so sab mithyā thā. Main ātmā hūn, yah sab agyān se huā. Michchhāmi Dukkaḍaṃ.” - Resolve: - “Ab usi bhool ko dobārā nahi dohraūṅgā.”
- Maitri-bhāvanā (friendliness)
- Daily, even for 2–3 minutes: - Think: “Sab jīv mere mitra hain. Main kisi ka dushman nahi, koi mera dushman nahi. Sab ko kalyāṇ mile.” - Think of that old friend specifically and give him maitrī in mind.
- Ālocanā in front of Arihant/Dev
- While doing Navkār Mantra or sitting quietly, - Mentally narrate your faults in simple words, - Ask for strength not to repeat, not “instant forgiveness only.”
- Watch thoughts of revenge now
- If a harsh thought arises: - Immediately recognise: “Yeh mohanīya karma hai, main nahi.” - Do one deep breath, repeat Navkār once with awareness. - Replace the thought with: “May this being also move towards peace.”
- Study little but regularly
- Even 5–10 minutes reading / listening on: - Samyakdarshan, - Kaṣhāy and their control, - Forgiveness (kṣhamā). - This steadily weakens the inner support of anger and ego.
For basic reinforcement of Ratnatraya (three jewels), you can see:
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5. Direct answers to your key questions
- Q: Can a samyagdrishti jīv get intense kaṣhāy?
- Q: Can a samyagdrishti jīv get anantānubandhi kaṣhāy?
- Q: Can a samyagdrishti have thoughts of killing someone brutally?
- Q: Can such thoughts bind nikachit karma?
- Q: If I’m truly samyagdrishti, can I have all these thoughts? Or was it only upśham samyaktva that I quickly lost?
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Your honesty, guilt, and desire to understand all this in light of Jain dharma are themselves very precious. Keep using them for true pratikraman, maitri-bhāvanā, and gentle inner change.