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  • What karma does a soul do in its previous birth/births which results in it being born as Gay/lesbian. How does it come into uday. How does a soul get rid of it? In detail
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    What karma does a soul do in its previous birth/births which results in it being born as Gay/lesbian. How does it come into uday. How does a soul get rid of it? In detail

    7 months ago 251

    I will answer only from Jain viewpoint, in simple words.

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    1. Do Jain scriptures directly talk about “gay/lesbian”?

    Ancient Jain āgamas and commentaries do not use the modern words “gay / lesbian / LGBT”. They speak about:

    • Three genders (linga) –
    1. Puruṣa (male) 2. Strī (female) 3. Napuṁsaka (third type / mixed)
    • Three sexual drives (veda) –
    1. Puruṣa‑veda (attraction towards male) 2. Strī‑veda (attraction towards female) 3. Napuṁsaka‑veda (mixed / irregular sexual attraction)

    Some ācāryas include same‑sex attraction under veda and napuṁsaka‑bhāva (mixed mentality), but the main point in Jainism is: Any passion‑driven sexuality (with man or woman) is a form of moha (delusion) and binds karma. The soul itself is beyond male/female/other.

    So, Jainism looks at it as one more karmic condition, not as a label of “good person / bad person”.

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    2. Which karmas decide gender & sexual attraction?

    In Jain karma theory, four main karmas decide your next birth’s basic setup:

    1. Āyu karma – type of birth (human, animal, heaven, hell).
    2. Nāma karma – physical body, gender, beauty, strength, etc.
    3. Gotra karma – family, status, environment.
    4. Vedanīya karma – type of pleasure & pain you experience.

    Sex, gender and attraction mainly come from Nāma karma, especially:

    • Śarīra‑nāma‑karma – type of body (male, female, mixed).
    • Veda‑nāma‑karma – direction of sexual urge.

    These are bound in previous lives when the soul:

    • Indulges strongly in sensual pleasures.
    • Has obsession with sexuality – too much thinking, talking, imagining, watching, etc.
    • Uses sexuality with intense passions (anger, deceit, pride, greed), e.g.:
    - cheating, forcing, exploiting, - selfish enjoyment without any morality or responsibility.

    Very important:

    • This applies equally for:
    - man–woman sex, - man–man, - woman–woman, - or any other combination.
    • Jainism does not say “only gay/lesbian is bad and straight is pure”.
    It says: “Any uncontrolled sexual passion binds karma.”

    So the cause is not ‘being gay’. The cause is past indulgence in sexuality with passion and attachment, in any form.

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    3. How does it come into uday (fruition) in this birth?

    Process in simple steps:

    1. Past life

    - Soul acts with sexual passion, attachment, fantasy, misuse, etc. - This creates āsrava (influx) of karma. - Those karmic particles bind as bandha, especially nāma‑karma and veda‑nāma‑karma.

    1. In between lives

    - Karma stays attached in a subtle, invisible way. - It has a fixed “maturity time” (udaya‑samaya).

    1. At the time of new birth

    - When the soul leaves one body and takes another, - these karmas mature and give: - a male/female/third‑type body, - a particular direction of attraction (towards man, woman, or mixed).

    1. In present life

    - You simply experience what was already decided by those karmas: - your body type, - your psychological tendency of attraction.

    Your current feelings of attraction are the uday (fruition) of old veda‑nāma‑karma. You did not “choose” this consciously now; it unfolded from a very long karmic history.

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    4. Is it a “sin” just to have that attraction?

    From Jain view, we must be precise:

    • Karma is bound by reaction, not by mere existence of a condition.

    So:

    • Just having a particular tendency (towards same sex, opposite sex, or no sex)
    is not itself new paap.
    • New karma is bound when we:
    - deepen attachment to it, - act with kashāyas (anger, pride, deceit, greed), - hurt others or ourselves because of it, - repeatedly indulge in it with intense passion.

    Therefore:

    • A person with same‑sex orientation, living with restraint, honesty, and ahimsa,
    is spiritually in a better state than a “straight” person who cheats, exploits, or abuses others with lust.

    Jainism always focuses on the state of mind now – raag, dvesh, kashāyas.

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    5. How should a Jain see such a birth?

    According to Jain dharma:

    1. Every jīva has passed through all types of bodies & mentalities in endless past lives.
    2. Today’s human birth (whatever orientation) is a rare and precious chance for spiritual progress.
    3. The correct attitude is:

    - No self‑hatred (“I am dirty / cursed”). - No hatred towards others (“they are sinners because of orientation”). - See it as one more karmic condition, like height, color, health, etc.

    The correct question in Jainism is always:

    > “From this situation, how can I move towards samyak darshan, jñān, charitra?”

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    6. How can a soul get rid of this karmic condition?

    To “get rid” in Jainism means:

    • 1) Stop new karmas (saṁvara)
    • 2) Shed old karmas (nirjarā)

    This is same for all – gay, straight, male, female, third gender.

    6.1. For householders (śrāvaks / śrāvikās)

    Main points:

    1. Follow brahmacharya‑anuvrata (limited celibacy)

    - Sexual life only within dharmic limits (traditionally within marriage). - Avoid: - violence, cheating, forcing, - using others only for pleasure, - pornography, constant fantasies, etc. - Gradually move from excessive sex → balanced → reduced → towards celibacy.

    1. Reduce sexual thoughts and obsession

    - Busy mind with svādhyāy (scripture study), satsang, seva. - Limit triggers: vulgar media, erotic talks, bad company. - Practice anuprekṣā (reflections) on: - impermanence of body, - impurity of attachment, - greatness of self‑control.

    1. Strengthen the Three Jewels

    - Samyak darshan – right faith: “I am a pure soul, beyond body and orientation.” - Samyak jñān – right knowledge: Understanding karma, āsrava, bandha, saṁvara, nirjarā. - Samyak charitra – right conduct: Five anuvratas, guṇa‑vratas, śikṣā‑vratas.

    1. Daily pratikraman

    - Accept honestly: - “Today I had such‑and‑such passions, thoughts, fantasies or acts.” - Repent with: - Alochanā – open inner confession before the Self & Jina. - Pratyākhyān – firm small‑step resolve: “Tomorrow I will reduce it a little.”

    1. Tapas (austerities)

    - Anshan / Upvās (fasting), Ayambil, Ekāsan, Nakt. - Use them not as punishment, but as means to purify desire: - During fasts, try to purify thoughts: “I am not the slave of body and senses.”

    These practices help all sexual karmas become weak and fall off over time.

    A simple explanation of karma and how to come out of it is given here

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    6.2. For ascetics (muni / aryikā / sadhus / sadhvīs)

    • They take mahā‑vrata of complete brahmacharya:
    - no sexual act, - no deliberate sexual thought or stimulation, - strict discipline of senses and mind.

    For them, all sexual identity is to be transcended. Body is just a temporary instrument for sādhana.

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    7. Can orientation itself change by spiritual practice?

    From Jain standpoint:

    • The deep karmas (like veda‑nāma‑karma) can change only by:
    - strong nirjarā (shedding), - and new, pure saṁvara.
    • This usually takes many lives, not just one decision.

    So:

    • You should not struggle with:
    - “Why am I like this? I must forcibly become something else right now.”
    • Instead, focus on:
    - “Whatever my current tendencies, I will: - reduce passion, - avoid himsā, - practice dharma, - increase inner purity.”

    As passions reduce, the soul becomes less identified with any sexual role. In the final state (moksha) there is no male, female, or third gender – only pure, blissful jīva.

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    8. How to see this topic spiritually, in summary

    1. Cause:

    - Not “being gay/lesbian”. - The cause is past passionate misuse of sexuality (of any kind), which created veda‑nāma‑karma.

    1. Uday (fruition):

    - At birth, those karmas mature and give a particular: - body, - mental attraction, - life situation.

    1. Right Attitude:

    - No hatred, no disgust, no insult – neither towards self nor others. - See all beings as souls covered by different karmas.

    1. Removal:

    - Same path for everyone: - Right faith, right knowledge, right conduct. - Ahimsa, aparigraha, brahmacharya according to one’s stage. - Pratikraman, tapas, svādhyāy, dhyān.

    1. Goal:

    - Not to become “perfectly straight” or “perfectly this or that”. - The Jain goal is to become perfectly free from all karmas, where no label of gender or orientation remains.

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    If you want, you can next ask about:

    • the detailed list of sexual‑related karmas in Jain texts, or
    • how to do a simple daily pratikraman specifically for sexual passions.

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