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  • you claim jainsm people this and that , they are one who are non vegan eat diary items even when there are other means to same nutritional benefits , publish and watch porn , majority car have leather
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    you claim jainsm people this and that , they are one who are non vegan eat diary items even when there are other means to same nutritional benefits , publish and watch porn , majority car have leather

    5 months ago 94

    You’re pointing to a real and important issue: there is a big gap today between Jain principles and how many Jains actually live.

    Let’s separate Jain Dharma (teaching) from Jain community (people).

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    1. Jain principle is very strict: Ahimsa in dravya and bhava

    Core Jain teaching:

    • Do not harm any living being (ahimsa)
    • Minimize all kinds of violence:
    - Physical (dravya–himsa) – directly causing pain, killing, exploiting - Mental (bhava–himsa) – anger, lust, greed, pride, hatred, attachment

    So, in shastra (scriptures and acharyas’ writings), the direction is:

    • Less exploitation
    • Less indulgence of passions
    • Less attachment to possessions

    By this standard, dairy, porn, leather, etc. are all problematic in different ways.

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    2. Dairy and Jainism (vegan question)

    Traditionally, Jains took milk assuming:

    • The cow/buffalo was treated gently
    • Calf was fed first
    • No hormones, machines, mass breeding, etc.

    Modern dairy is very different:

    • Artificial insemination
    • Separation of calf and mother
    • Slaughter of male calves and “spent” cows
    • Intense physical and emotional suffering

    By Jain logic, once you know this:

    • Supporting such dairy = participating in himsa
    • So, moving toward vegan or at least strongly reducing dairy is closer to true Jain ahimsa.

    Many modern Jain monks, nuns and laypeople now openly encourage:

    • Avoiding milk, ghee, cheese, ice cream, etc.
    • Choosing plant-based alternatives when available

    So you’re right: If similar nutrition is possible without violence, Jain dharma clearly supports choosing the less-violent option.

    If many Jains still do not do this, that is their weakness, not a fault in Jain philosophy.

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    3. Porn and Jain view

    From Jain dharma side:

    • Kama (sexual passion), especially indulgence in lustful thoughts and viewing explicit content, increases kashayas (passions).
    • It strengthens:
    - Raga (attachment) - Mithyatva (wrong belief that pleasure = true happiness) - Restless mind, stronger desires, and often more objectification, which can even lead to more subtle forms of violence.

    So:

    • Publishing, trading, or watching porn is completely opposite to:
    - Brahmacharya (sexual restraint, purity) - Samyaktva (right vision) - Ahimsa in bhava (not turning others into objects for our pleasure)

    Again: if Jains are doing this, it is against Jain teaching, not supported by it.

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    4. Leather and Jain view

    Leather mostly comes from:

    • Animals killed for meat/skin
    • Or exploited and then killed when no longer “useful”

    Jain principle:

    • Products involving slaughter = clear himsa
    • Even if you are not killing directly, paying for leather supports that killing.

    So, by Jain ethics:

    • Leather car seats, shoes, belts, wallets, bags etc. are not ideal at all.
    • A sincere Jain should prefer:
    - Fabric / synthetic seats - Non-leather shoes and accessories - Repair/reuse over buying more

    Again, where Jains ignore this, it is their compromise, not Jain dharma’s.

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    5. So, are Jains hypocrites?

    Sometimes, yes.

    But that’s true of almost every religion and ideology:

    • Ideal is high
    • Practice is weak
    • Culture, convenience, social pressure, comfort → people compromise

    Jainism itself is very clear and uncompromising:

    • Reduce himsa in food, possessions, business, entertainment, speech, and even thoughts.
    • Modern industries (dairy, fashion, digital entertainment, etc.) have added new forms of himsa that older generations didn’t fully know.
    • As awareness grows, a truly honest Jain has to update his/her practice to match the principle of ahimsa.

    So your criticism is valid as a challenge:

    > “If you claim ahimsa, why are you still doing X, Y, Z when there are less-violent options?”

    That kind of question is actually very Jain – it pushes towards self-examination (pratikraman) and tapas (reform).

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    6. The honest Jain response

    A sincere Jain, when faced with what you said, should ideally say:

    • “You’re right – my practice is not matching my principles.”
    • “I need to reduce/stop:
    - Dairy from cruel sources - Leather - Porn and other passion-increasing habits - Any luxury that depends on heavy himsa.”
    • “Let me take small but firm steps toward less violence.”

    Jain dharma doesn’t say “Jains are perfect.” It says: keep reducing your violence and passions, step by step, honestly.

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    If you want, I can outline very concrete steps a modern Jain (or anyone) could take to align more closely with ahimsa in these exact areas (food, clothing, media), but the main point is:

    • Your criticism is mostly aligned with true Jain ethics.
    • The problem is practice, not the principle of Jainism itself.
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