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  • when you say this "this happens because the soul is bound by very deep and long-standing deluding karma and worldly attachment" that means this caused the abhavya jiv to be that way, that means it must've had a different state before this right
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    when you say this "this happens because the soul is bound by very deep and long-standing deluding karma and worldly attachment" that means this caused the abhavya jiv to be that way, that means it must've had a different state before this right

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    Answer

    No — in Jain understanding, it does not mean the abhavya jīva had some earlier “better” state and then later became abhavya in a simple before-and-after sense.

    Explanation

    When we say, “the soul is bound by very deep and long-standing deluding karma and worldly attachment,” that is a way of explaining the present condition of the soul in saṁsāra.

    For an abhavya jīva:

    • Its condition is understood as beginningless in saṁsāra.
    • Jain philosophy does not describe it as first being bhavya and then later becoming abhavya due to one event.
    • Rather, its state is the result of endless karmic bondage and its own karmic nature.

    So the idea is not:

    • “It used to be different, and then changed once.”

    It is more like:

    • “From the standpoint of worldly existence, the soul has been under karma without a beginning, and this is why it does not have the capacity for liberation.”

    Spiritual Understanding

    This teaching shows an important Jain principle:
    • No soul is created by a first cause in time.
    • Saṁsāra is beginningless.
    • The soul’s present condition is explained by karma, not by a single past event we can point to.

    For bhavya and abhavya, Jain tradition treats this as a deep spiritual classification connected with the soul’s karmic condition and capacity, not as a simple historical transformation from one fixed stage to another.

    Takeaway

    So, in short: no, it does not mean the abhavya jīva had a previous liberated or bhavya state first. It means its bondage and incapacity for liberation are understood as beginningless and karmically rooted in Jain doctrine.
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