I know, but I'm asking how high it can go without knowing the path. Just a naturally really good person that has never heard of asceticism, how high can they go
Answer
In Jain Dharma, a naturally very good person who has never heard of asceticism can rise very high in worldly spiritual merit, but not all the way to liberation.
Such a person may attain:
- Very high punya karma
- A noble human birth
- Birth in heavenly realms
- Better inner qualities such as compassion, honesty, humility, and restraint
But without right faith, right knowledge, and right conduct, the soul cannot reach moksha.
Explanation
Jainism accepts that goodness has real karmic value. A person who is kind, non-violent, truthful, generous, humble, and self-controlled binds punya karma. This can produce very pleasant results, such as happiness, respect, beauty, wealth, good family, long life, or heavenly birth.
However, Jain Dharma makes a distinction between:
- Being morally good
- Walking the path to liberation
A person may be very good-hearted, but if they do not understand the soul, karma, bondage, non-attachment, and liberation, then their goodness generally remains within the cycle of rebirth.
They may reduce harmful tendencies, but they do not fully stop karmic bondage.
How High Can They Go?
They can go as high as heavenly existence due to great punya, depending on their intentions and actions.
But they cannot attain:
- Kevaljnan
- Arihant state
- Siddhahood
- Final moksha
unless the soul eventually develops samyak darshan, samyak jnan, and samyak charitra.
In Jainism, liberation requires the Ratnatraya:
- Samyak Darshan – right faith
- Samyak Jnan – right knowledge
- Samyak Charitra – right conduct
Goodness alone creates auspicious karma, but the path of liberation requires freedom from both bad and good karmic bondage.
Spiritual Understanding
From the Jain view, even heavenly birth is not the final goal. Heaven is pleasant, but it is still within samsar. When heavenly lifespan ends, the soul must take birth again.
A naturally good person is spiritually fortunate because their inner qualities may make them more ready to receive true Dharma in a future birth. Their compassion and purity can become a strong foundation for samyak darshan when they encounter the Jain path.
So their goodness is not wasted. It is very valuable. But it is not yet complete liberation.
Takeaway
A naturally good person who does not know the path can rise to high punya and even heavenly birth, but moksha requires awakening to the true nature of the soul and following the path of right faith, right knowledge, and right conduct.