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    what Jainism say about creator for universe and who is ishvara, can a sthankavasi svetambra jain believe in ishvara as the God and tirthankaras as 24 divine teachers and the 32 agamas

    8 months ago 222

    I’ll answer in three parts:

    1. Does Jainism accept a Creator of the universe?
    2. Who is Īśvara in Jain understanding?
    3. As a Sthānakavāsī Śvetāmbara, what can you believe about “God”, Tīrthaṅkaras and Āgamas?

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    1. Creator of the universe in Jainism

    Jain Darshan clearly says:

    • No creator God made this universe.
    • The universe is beginningless and endless, always existing.
    • It is made of jīva (souls) and ajīva (non‑living things), both eternal.
    • Everything happens by natural laws and karma, not by the will of a creator.

    So, in Jainism:

    • Tīrthaṅkaras do not create or run the universe.
    • Devas (heavenly beings) also do not create or control the universe.

    You can read a simple explanation here and also here

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    2. Who is Īśvara in Jainism?

    In classical Jain view:

    • Īśvara is not a creator.
    • When the word “Īśvara” is used in Jain texts, it is usually for:
    - A supremely pure, liberated soul (like a Siddha or Arihant), or - The highest ideal of perfection (keval-jñānī), free from all karma.

    So:

    • Jain “Īśvara” = perfect, omniscient, passionless soul
    • But still: no power to create or destroy the universe, no “ruler” in the theistic sense.

    Both Digambar and Śvetāmbara agree:

    • There is no single almighty creator‑God.
    • “Īśvara” is, at most, a name for the fully realized soul, not a maker of the cosmos.

    You can see a related explanation here and here

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    3. As a Sthānakavāsī Śvetāmbara, what can you believe?

    You asked three things:

    1. “Can I believe in Īśvara as God?”
    2. “Can I believe in Tīrthaṅkaras as 24 divine teachers?”
    3. “And the 32 Āgamas?”

    3.1 Īśvara as “God”

    As a Sthānakavāsī Śvetāmbara Jain, to stay within Jain doctrine:

    • You should not believe in Īśvara as a creator, controller, or miracle‑doing personal God like in many theistic religions.
    • You may use the word “Īśvara” in a Jain way:
    - For the Arihanta/Siddha – a soul that is fully pure, omniscient, free from karma. - As an ideal of perfection you revere, not someone who created you or changes your destiny by wish.

    So, yes, you can be devoted to a “supreme being” if you clearly understand:

    • This being did not create the universe,
    • Does not interfere with karmic law,
    • Is simply a perfectly liberated soul and a spiritual ideal.

    3.2 Tīrthaṅkaras as 24 divine teachers

    This is completely in line with Jainism.

    • All Jain traditions accept 24 Tīrthaṅkaras of the current time‑cycle.
    • They are:
    - Enlightened, omniscient teachers (keval‑jñānīs), - Makers of the “ford” (tīrtha) across saṁsāra, - Objects of deep reverence and bhakti.

    They are often called divine in the sense of being supremely pure and perfect, but always remember:

    • They are souls (jīvas) who attained that state by their own effort.
    • They do not create the world and do not grant liberation by grace; they show the path.

    On Tīrthaṅkaras you can read more here and here

    3.3 About the “32 Āgamas”

    Classically:

    • Śvetāmbara tradition speaks of 11 Aṅgas + other Āgamas, totalling 45 Āgamic texts (different lists exist).
    • Digambar tradition holds that the original Aṅgas are lost and accepts later texts (Ṣaṭkhaṇḍāgama, Kaṣāyapāhuda, etc.) as authoritative.

    “32 Āgamas” is not the standard, most common classical count in either main tradition. It may come from a particular listing or modern summary, but:

    • As a Sthānakavāsī Śvetāmbara, your mainstream view aligns with the Śvetāmbara Āgama canon, not specifically “32”.
    • Believing that Jain Dharma is based on Āgamas (teachings of the Tīrthaṅkaras) is fully proper.
    • The exact number and preservation of texts is a sectarian / historical matter, not a core belief about God.

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    Simple summary for you

    1. Creator:

    - Jainism: No creator God. The universe is eternal and runs by karma and natural law.

    1. Īśvara:

    - In Jainism: name for a perfectly pure, liberated soul (Arihant/Siddha), not a creator or controller. - You may revere such a being, but not as an almighty maker of the universe.

    1. As a Sthānakavāsī Śvetāmbara Jain, you can:

    - Firmly reject a creator‑God idea. - Revere Tīrthaṅkaras as 24 supreme, divine teachers and ideals. - Accept Jain Dharma as based on the Āgamas / Jain scriptures, understanding that the exact number (11, 32, 45, etc.) is a matter of textual tradition, not a belief in a creator.

    If you want, I can also give you a very short daily “Jain way” of remembering: “I bow to the Arihants and Siddhas as perfect beings, but I know my liberation depends on my own effort and right conduct, not on anyone creating or changing the universe for me.”

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